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Old 10-06-05, 02:55PM   #1
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Default 2005 Jeg's Engine Masters Challenge

These guys are having a lot of trouble even getting up to the
600 HP mark, plus I can't believe how many had problems, an
didn't make it. So far the BBC is on top making an average
of 669.66 Torque and 581.66 H.P. They get three pulls,
the rpm range is 2500 rpms to 6500 rpms were in day 4.
Tomorrow is the last day, Jon Kasse is up tomorrow with the
Pontiac motor. You can check it out here. Gee I wonder what
Happen to the Kauffman's they were suppose to enter two
motor's with their new block, an high port heads. To bad
we would have gotten to see their head's and block go head to head
with the Tiger heads, maybe the name Jon Kasse made them
nervious. If that was me, I'd made God damn srue, my entry was in.
It would give us the opportunity to see how close these new heads
are to each other, instead of hearing all this hype. Plus show us how
capable engine builders they really are, after all aren't these guys
suppose to be the engine Grur's of the Pontiac world, we've already
seen what Butler can do, plus no excusses, we now have the after
market heads and block to compete with.

Here's another thing that gets me, it seems like they don't want any
competition, it's ok, when the articles that appear in HPP an PE
are control buy them, meaning their dyno, but the real engine building
world, is making combinations to fit the customers needs, to me isn't
this Challenge ( with set rules for every buddy ) the same as if I called
and said this is what I want, here here is my limitions, 509 CID motor
and I want the rpm range between 2500 to 6500 rpms. I think the
averaged rules are perfect, that's were a pump gas street
will apperate. I guess the Pontiac Engine builders don't need
to prove anything, when they can control the hype, sad isn't.


AllPontiac srue in hell made srue Kasse had every thing he needed. Hey
maybe I'm worng and Kauffman will show up tomorrow, really hope so.

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eng.../0510em_links/

The Cid limit is 509, and it looks like you can use any after market block
and heads as long as the meet the OEM configuration. So my guess is
Jon Kasse's entry is with and IAll block and Tiger heads, this should be
very interesting. Andy Mitchell who built the 505 Hot Rod Pump gas motor
would have defiantly gave these guys a run for there money, using E-heads
His average would be right around 650 HP, but remember Kasse has like
90 dyno pulls on this Pontiac motor, from what I hear. It's been said by
BOP that Kasse is using Nunzi's bearing spacer, which allows you to put
a 3" mains in a 455 block, don't under stand what's up with that, aren't
all IAll block, 3" main blocks?

So much for Andy being a Kool Aid drinker[kool] [yuk]
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Old 10-06-05, 03:03PM   #2
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Also another thing
that was said by one of the BOP owners is that Kasse is using Nunzi's
bearing spacer, which allows you to put a 3" mains in a 455 block, don't
under stand what's up with that, if it's and IAll block, aren't they all
3" main blocks?
All Pontiac donated the block and heads. Might have been a 3 1/4 main block laying around that was donated.
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Don't know, but a BBC is 2.75 mains. They might have gone that route.

2.75 mains with 2.100 rods.
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as far as the leader board goes its chevy 1&2 with the ford 3rd.Tom
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Old 10-06-05, 04:00PM   #5
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as far as the leader board goes its chevy 1&2 with the ford 3rd.Tom

I just corrected that...LOL So far 3 engine builders had to drop
out, in what looks like some things happening and they ran out
of time. Got to give these guys a lot of Credit. It looks like
you better own a dyno, Kauffman's do, that's why I'm hoping
their still in this, I guess we'll know tomorrow. Like I said it would
be a good comparison in the head department, blocks dont figure
in on the H.P making that much. Well anyway good luck to the
Jon Kasse and Kauffman's
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My guess is the peak power is around 750-800 H.P. any guesses.
Were's Butler, Spotts, Kuaffman? You telling me not one Pontiac
Engine builder entered this thing....the shame of it all, Well I guess
as they say, talk the talk, walk the walk....
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New's break!!! Kasse is the winner !
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Just think, if it wasn't for Allpontiac, there wouldn't be a Pontiac in the
Engine Masters Challenge, then again if it wasn't Kasse, the Pontiac
per Madonna's probably would have the balls to try...Nah!! Sorry
but I's calls them the way I see it. Sad..Sad..Sad.

I can hear all the excuses now, ooh we're so busy, they
had over two years to get ready. Sad really sad, it took
a Ford guy to show them.... Now you'll see them all jump
on the wagon, after the get to read the combination in PHR

Bunch of Kool Aid drinkers[kool] [yuk]
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Just remember you herad it here First!
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Yep ,they took it to the right guy.
Remember what he was doing with 700 and 800 inch Ford IHRA Pro Stock Engines?
Congratulations John!
Now shove it in a race car and get after it.
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he CANT be the winner!He might be in the runoff but NOT the winner.Tom
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I thought the finals were tommorrow (friday) between Kaase, the other guy in second place, and BES???

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there will be 6 in the runoff,the top 2 from each dyno.Tom
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Default Engine masters challenge

Going into the finals which is tomorrow Jon Kaase with his 510 Pontiac is leading. He has an Allpontiac block and the new Tiger heads on it. This is a really competition that puts all makes against one another.
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eng.../0510em_links/
He was the last one to run a day 4 since he has won the last 2 years with a Ford. Cross you fingers and hope he pulls out a win tomorrow to show those Chevy, Ford, and Mopar guys that Pontiacs can compete and win!
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this will be GREAT,1 point advantage over the BBC,the deal will be who holds up for the 3 pulls.There has been a lot of breakage this year resulting in DNQs.Tom
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