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Old 07-19-04, 08:17PM   #1
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I'm doing a frame off resto on my 70 GTO. I'm wanting to paint the frame, but have heard and read all sorts of stuff about rust treatment. The frame is just surface rust, not bad at all. Any opinions on this subject?
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Old 07-19-04, 09:54PM   #2
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Old 07-20-04, 12:33PM   #3
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Yea, that would do it. I'm looking for a way that is less messy that I can do at home. I'd be cleaning sand up for years.
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Old 07-22-04, 10:27AM   #4
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big wire wheel on a 4 inch right angle grinder then use por15 on it I sand blasted mine then used por15
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Old 07-22-04, 11:32AM   #5
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PPG sell's this cleaner that gets off surface rust. it's strong stuff and you have to use gloves and a mask or you will pass out if your doing it indoors or what not.I'm sure if you go to there site they will have it. it took off a med coat fo surface rust and left the metal clean and looking like a rainbow
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Old 07-22-04, 11:33AM   #6
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Not sure what peopel pay for snadblasting, but this guy i help had his 71 chevlle frame blasted for 90 bucks and i had my firebird subrframe blasted for 40, i guess you just gotta shop around
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Old 07-22-04, 12:24PM   #7
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get the frame sand blasted. Around here you can get the frame blasted and epoxy primed and painted. I just had mine primered. Next time around I'm going to spend a little more time cleaning up the frame, factory splatter, awful looking welds etc before having it blasted so it can come back painted. alan
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Old 07-22-04, 12:51PM   #8
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Sand blasting is nice..
Real messy, and expensive around here.
One guy chages about $200.00 for a frame.
If you only have surface rust...
You can "wire" wheel or flap wheel the frame.
Then apply por 15 afterwards.
Supposedly.. you don't have to remove all the rust for por 15 to work
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Old 07-24-04, 05:52AM   #9
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I've used several rust converters. The kinds you just spray on or brush on. Leaving them on for several hours seems to work the best on suface rust. Just hosed the surface off and applied paint or whatever afterwards. Sandblasting is a major pain. I'm still cleaning up sand in my shop from doing only a few small parts. Rust converters do not remove grease and dirt build up though. You will have to get that crap off first.
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Old 08-17-04, 08:03PM   #10
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Thanks for all the advice, everybody. Zedo, I am considering sandblasting, or rather someone else sandblasting it for me. I got a quote from a powder coating place near mefor $200 to powder coat, and $125 for blasting. That sounds like a good deal to me. What do ya'll think?
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Old 08-18-04, 11:05AM   #11
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I have been using a product called rust-mort . It is a converter. Works very well. anyone here familar with it and how does it compare to POR15 which I never used. Rust-Mort seems to do the same from what I read, removes surface rust and converts the hard stuff at much more reasonable price. And it cleans up with water after it cures. alan
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Old 08-18-04, 12:44PM   #12
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Alan, i've heard of it but cant remember who makes it now...i think i sold some of it before..maybe its made by SEM
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Old 08-23-04, 12:10AM   #13
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At my dad's shop years ago...
We would occasionally have to use rust Mort on car's that people didn't want to spend the money on to fix rust properly..
For Us... it became more trouble then it was worth..
Since the least bit change from the stated directions..
Would cause a major failure a few months down the road...
The 69 Camaro I'm working on..
We just finished blasting the front subframe..
And haven't decided yet on whether to use Por 15, or a closer to O.E. appearance Grey/ black flat paint.
Which in all honestly, isn't correct either... Since G.M. didn't actually paint their frames back then
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Old 12-02-04, 03:52PM   #14
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Another Good Brand Is Called "extend" It Kills Rust, I Used Some Around My Rear Window On My 68, The Rust Never Came Back, Plus I Shot Apoxy Primer On Top Of It, Its Paintable, Very Good Stuff, I Think Permateks Makes It, In Auto Stores In A White Bottle
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Old 12-07-04, 12:32AM   #15
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Hey everybody hows it going, I was in auto restoration for a long time, and from my experience zedo knows his stuff well, infact I have done many restorations for Nassau Coliseum and alot of car clubs, those show cars came in as tow droppings but everyone except for the acid dips, and wood chassis cars, we went the same route as zedo explains. This is a very cost effective way to do the job right and do it once. I just do not recommend sand blasting the exterior panels on the body as this will mark the metal and eventually as the finish dries it will shrink into the grain. PPG as an excellent etching primer that you can spray over once dried with a two part sealer/primer so you can paint or undercoat if you do not plan to powdercoat. Nice car by the way.

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