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Old 03-22-07, 08:34PM   #1
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I'm going to be repairing a small area on the passenger side 1/4 my '71. It's the usual rust spot right behind the rear tire, at the lowest corner. The hole is only on the outer skin, not including the rolled in wheel opening lip or the underside that is spot-welded to the trunk extensions.

When I repainted the car 17 years ago I didn't have access to a welder and the rust area was about 1/2 the size of the palm of my hand so I fiberglassed it, but now that is coming loose. From what I can see it's not rusting underneath the patch, it's just plain worked loose.

I have a piece from a junkyard car that the 1/4 panel was heavilly damaged except for that corner, and so I cut out the entire triangular section.

I just cannot decide whether to cut out just the area of the hole and make a drop-in flush patch and weld that in without disturbing the edges/corners, or take metal out from the lower spot-welded area and rolled wheel opening lip and weld in the patch that way.

I'm thinking if I go the flush patch route I don't have to drill any spot welds or worry about deformation while trying to separate panels.

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Old 03-24-07, 12:54PM   #2
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Flush mount patch is what i would do. Just make sure all of the rust is gone, and it will be fine. Once you get into it, you may find that more needs to be replaced. That seems to always be the case. Then again, you don't live in the rust belt, so you may be ok.
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Old 03-24-07, 05:11PM   #3
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Ditto
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Old 03-24-07, 05:53PM   #4
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likewise.
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Old 03-25-07, 03:25AM   #5
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Sold for four flush mount patches. Keep it as simple as you can. Learn from others mistakes so you dont go throught the pain and agony!!
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Old 03-28-07, 12:24AM   #6
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Well, of course when I opened things up, it was much worse than I thought.

After 17 years of the original patch, water got in there and it ended up making the original trimmed hole bigger, ate away a triangular piece that is the section where the wheelhouse/trunk floor meets the back of the lower 1/4, and the entire corner where the 1/4 meets the rolled wheelwell lip.

I've already cleaned it all up and welded in a patch that replaces all those pieces. I just have a little more welding and grinding and I'm done.

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Old 03-28-07, 01:44AM   #7
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You going to try and blend the paint, or repaint the entire quarter?
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Old 03-28-07, 10:27AM   #8
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The differences between So Cal and Illinois. The piece you welded in would have been all that was left of a quarter here Patch is looking good

Do need to ask though, How cold was it that you were running the heater in the garage? Again, just another difference between here and there.

Post up the finished pics when your done.
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Old 03-28-07, 06:14PM   #9
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I'm going to attempt blending the paint. I have a nice sharp body line that I can use to blend it in. If I go for the entire 1/4, I just know it will snowball into the whole car with the body on one side of the shop and the frame somewhere else.

Heater - LOL!
For the record, it was past midnight and in the 50's that night!
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Even without that sharp line, you should be able to blend that color fairly easily. I figured you paint was still in great shape still.

BTW, we don't turn the heater on here until it's below 40. lol!
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Even without that sharp line, you should be able to blend that color fairly easily. I figured you paint was still in great shape still.

BTW, we don't turn the heater on here until it's below 40. lol!
Would you believe the paint is 17 years old? I just about cried when I took the DA sander to the lower 1/4.

Cold weather - I'm a wuss. That's why I live in SoCal. A week or so of it as a vacation is great, but daily shovelling - NOPE! Trust me, I want out of this illegal immigrant infested State, but I can't do snow and need a little more to look at than sand and desert.
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My personal rule is as long as my fingers don't stick to the sockets like a tongue to a flagpole, it's warm enough to work.

OK, so I'm lying a little there. Give me the illegals over this cold anyday. Problem is, I can't afford to live where its warm. Your neck of the woods sells double wides for more than a lot of the houses in my area.

How did the weld come out? Gonna take much filler to cover/blend?
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My personal rule is as long as my fingers don't stick to the sockets like a tongue to a flagpole, it's warm enough to work.

OK, so I'm lying a little there. Give me the illegals over this cold anyday. Problem is, I can't afford to live where its warm. Your neck of the woods sells double wides for more than a lot of the houses in my area.

How did the weld come out? Gonna take much filler to cover/blend?
Unfortunately it was getting cold and really late, so I was in a hurry to get out of there and forgot to take pics of the final welding and after grinding. I'll take some this weekend when I finish the job.
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Unfortunately it was getting cold and really late, so I was in a hurry to get out of there and forgot to take pics of the final welding and after grinding. I'll take some this weekend when I finish the job.
I hear ya on the pics. I haven't been taking a lot of pics on my redo, but my excuse isn't that it's cold. I just keep forgeting that someone else might want to see it.
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I hear ya on the pics. I haven't been taking a lot of pics on my redo, but my excuse isn't that it's cold. I just keep forgeting that someone else might want to see it.
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