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Old 07-18-18, 06:52PM   #16
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The early A body steering box ended up being from a 67 not a 64. The date code is stamped on top of the pitman shaft cover. Both the 65 and 67 steering boxes I have are from Fremont cars. I wire brushed the outside of the housings and took them to a self service car was and used high pressure to clean the inside out. The car wash cleaned them up like new. I painted them a few days ago. I'm waiting for the paint to cure better before I put them back together.
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Old 07-20-18, 06:55PM   #17
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I disassembled a 65 steering box, it was like new inside. I could probably reuse the seals, the fluid was still red. It will get new seals since I have them. The gear on the pitman shaft is 1.250 inches tall on the 65 and 1.5 inches tall on the GC pitman shaft. The rifling inside the rack piston on a quick box is different so you need both the rack piston and the worm shaft that matches it.
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Old 07-22-18, 08:15PM   #18
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I should have known it would not be easy to reassemble them. All the kits I have only have the early style stub shaft seals. The early style stub shaft seals is different than the 3rd Gen F body I have and the GC stub shaft seals is also different than the other 2. I could reassemble the 65 and 67 steering boxes using the quick worm gear and rack piston and get rid of the metric fittings and not spend any money or try to find the other seals which are both different .
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Old 07-24-18, 02:32PM   #19
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This is a bolt in 65 quick box. I used a quick box worm shaft and a rack piston. Except for the seal kit the rest is a 65.
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Old 07-25-18, 03:14PM   #20
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I have more steering boxes. I figure they might make another worm shaft between the fastest and slowest. The pictures are already posted of the fastest and slowest worm shafts. All you have to do is count the turns. The average idiot is never going to buy a steering box and take it apart to see which worm shaft is in it. They will buy the extra parts to make the metric steering box work in a car that never used the metric fittings in the first place.

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Old 07-26-18, 08:40PM   #21
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Even if you have to find a quick box for parts and have to buy a seal kit off the internet you can convert the Saginaw steering box that belongs in your car it shouldn't cost very much. Probably less than the extra parts you have to buy to make a metric box work in a non metric car. They don't tell you that on the infomercial board.
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Old 07-26-18, 09:23PM   #22
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I watched a few quick box videos on YouTube. Some of those people use degree wheels to tell you about the quick boxes. One guy bought an aftermarket quick box and used a degree wheel and found out he didn't have the quick box at all. He showed the box it came in with the part number.
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Old 07-30-18, 05:58PM   #23
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I am going to open up a 73 GP steering box soon. Once I remove the pitman shaft I am going to line it up with the 67, TA and GC pitman shafts and take pictures. I can see some of the pitman shaft s have a wider center tooth on the gear. The GC pitman gears look taller and are cut different. The adjuster plug is also made different on the GC and the nub on the stub shaft is cut off.
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Old 07-30-18, 06:31PM   #24
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I'm wondering if that twitchy steering that I read about is because the GC steering box is made different. I have driven a lot of the 80s cars that were made with the quick boxes and I don't ever remember them having twitchy steering. Switching the pitman arms is easy. Leave the pitman arm loose and make sure it lines up in the middle of the steering box remove the 4 bolts on top and tap it with a hammer on the bottom. Changing the steering stops is easy you can leave the pitman arm in place remove the snap ring and turn the steering shaft slow, it will pop off. Don't go to far or you will have to reload the rack piston. First step in taking the whole steering box apart is centering the pitman arm and removing it
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Old 08-01-18, 05:12PM   #25
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Pitman shafts from left to right. GC, WS6 and 67 El Camino
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Old 08-01-18, 05:21PM   #26
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GC on left and WS6 on the right. Once I put the WS6 box back together that will be the last time I mess with them. The GP steering box is staying together. I will have 2 fresh quick boxes which is as many as I will ever need.
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Old 08-04-18, 09:39PM   #27
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I had a lot of trouble putting the WS6 box back together. The 65 box went together easy. After the WS6 box was back together I knew something was not right. It was binding up in some places. I changed the housing cap. I took that SOB back apart and noticed that one of the internal stops was cast into the housing. Now I have to use the quick box parts in the 67 housing since it won't work in the F body housing for what I need it for.
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Old 08-05-18, 06:03PM   #28
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I used the 67 housing with some parts from the WS6 steering box and the GC steering box and now I have another quick box that works. I started with 4 steering boxes and ended up with 2.
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Old 08-08-18, 02:47PM   #29
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You can see the internal stops on the bottom of the 3rd Gen F body housing...The only thing I used on the 67 was the housing. The pitman shaft is from the WS6. There are codes stamped on top of the pitman shaft gears, I don't have any info on the codes.
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