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Old 03-14-08, 01:30PM   #1
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Default Fiberglass Frontends???

I might be posting in the wrong area but this place looks to have the most traffic! I have a 70 GTO that I was thinking about putting a complete VFN frontend on. The thing is they told me I'd have to pin it to my car with their deluxe install kit, and I'm not about to cut and weld holes into my car. I've also been told that you could bolt them to the factory mounting points. I'm trying to make it a restored track car so I need to save weight, but still look good and halfway factory. So if anyone has any info and/or pics I would be greatful. I have found everyone talks about fiberglass GTO frontends, but no one has pics.
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Old 03-14-08, 06:17PM   #2
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Here's a picture of a 70 GTO front end, made by VFN. The fenders
bolt to the firewall like stock fenders..but you do have to make
brackets in the front to hold the front up...it's not a big deal to
do. Their kit will save you a ton of time and figuring.
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Old 03-15-08, 04:24AM   #3
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Yea I remember talking to you about your car and front end. The way VFN was talking I had to pin it to the firewall as well. I was looking on their site and saw a few cars that three clips that held the front end onto the body about three to five inches from the edge of the door. Can't really say I liked that look....Its a dead give away that it a fiberglass car. So does it bolt up to the stock core support as well? Sorry to be a pain man I'm just trying to do some reasearch before I shell out a bunch of money!
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Old 03-15-08, 01:54PM   #4
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On top it bolts up like a regular fenders dose..on the bottom quarter
of the fender it has two Zeus fasteners..that's it. You can hardly see
them. There's no way you can not make it look like it's not a fiber glass nose.

The front radiator support was built and the nose bolts up to it..
with 4 bolts. 6 bolts and the radiator comes out. It's made out of aluminum. If you look at the picture of just the front end you can see the bolts two on each side. But look at the hood you can see Zeus Fasteners. It's not that hard to do...just takes allot! of time.
Fiber glass is real easy to screw up.

Once you get the noise set up with blocks, you take your measurements
and weld in the brackets for the Zeus. If you've never done one it's a big
learning proses. Pay someone the 500-600 bucks and get it done right.

I bought the car rolling and the nose was done. But I had a 68 GTO that
I did myself...took a couple of weeks plaining and playing to get it right
and make it look good. Then you have to get it painted..in the end it
would have been cheaper I save nothing and created allot of head aches.
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"in the end it
would have been cheaper I save nothing and created allot of head aches."

Sounds like every project I work on!!!!

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Old 03-15-08, 08:26PM   #6
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Nick,

Nobody makes fiberglass parts for your GTO that are "direct bolt on replacements" to the factory parts. If you want to install a 'glass nose on your car, there is no getting around having to mount it with Dzus fasteners, unless you found a fiberglass shop that can graft on factory mounting points. What you will spend on buying the nose and having the custom grafts done you can have a show quality custom paint job shot on the car (assuming the car is rust free). And then there's the issue of mounting your headlights, etc. which a 'glass nose will not support the weight, you'll have to custom fabricate mounts on the radiator support.

After all is said and done, you can forget about driving it on the street for any appreciable amount of miles. Street driving will crack and destroy it. It's not Corvette production quality fiberglass, it's lightweight and intended for racing only.
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Old 03-16-08, 04:31AM   #7
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On top it bolts up like a regular fenders dose..on the bottom quarter
of the fender it has two Zeus fasteners..that's it. You can hardly see
them. There's no way you can not make it look like it's not a fiber glass nose.

The front radiator support was built and the nose bolts up to it..
with 4 bolts. 6 bolts and the radiator comes out. It's made out of aluminum. If you look at the picture of just the front end you can see the bolts two on each side. But look at the hood you can see Zeus Fasteners. It's not that hard to do...just takes allot! of time.
Fiber glass is real easy to screw up.

Once you get the noise set up with blocks, you take your measurements
and weld in the brackets for the Zeus. If you've never done one it's a big
learning proses. Pay someone the 500-600 bucks and get it done right.

I bought the car rolling and the nose was done. But I had a 68 GTO that
I did myself...took a couple of weeks plaining and playing to get it right
and make it look good. Then you have to get it painted..in the end it
would have been cheaper I save nothing and created allot of head aches.
I know it'll always look like glass I guess what i ment was I don't want it to look bad and cheap! If i can get mine to look like your's I'd be really happy! As for body prep and painting thats not a problem for me. I have a pretty decent booth that I have access to due to my second job at a votech. So all in all would you say that the quality is pretty good and worth the money for a track car?
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Old 03-16-08, 04:43AM   #8
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Nobody makes fiberglass parts for your GTO that are "direct bolt on replacements" to the factory parts. If you want to install a 'glass nose on your car, there is no getting around having to mount it with Dzus fasteners, unless you found a fiberglass shop that can graft on factory mounting points. What you will spend on buying the nose and having the custom grafts done you can have a show quality custom paint job shot on the car (assuming the car is rust free). And then there's the issue of mounting your headlights, etc. which a 'glass nose will not support the weight, you'll have to custom fabricate mounts on the radiator support.

After all is said and done, you can forget about driving it on the street for any appreciable amount of miles. Street driving will crack and destroy it. It's not Corvette production quality fiberglass, it's lightweight and intended for racing only.
I understand that it wouldn't be a direct bolt on I just wasn't sure how they mounted up to the car. I've heard several different ways with no pics and no proof. Plus here in Oklahoma everybody thinks camaro is god and no one has GTOs. I appreciate the input though! I'm just another Pontiac guy trying to loose weight and go fast! So with that being said I can't drive this car on the street anyway. Cam is to big, verter is to high, and 110 cost to much!
What do you drive sir?
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Old 03-16-08, 09:56AM   #9
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Had a stock chassis 2nd gen. T/A capable of 135-MPH in the 1/4 mile. Sold it to a gentleman in Minnesota who is still racing it. Current project will be capable of 175-180 MPH in the 1/4 mile. My streeter is a bone stock Can Am with only 59K original miles.
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Had a stock chassis 2nd gen. T/A capable of 135-MPH in the 1/4 mile. Sold it to a gentleman in Minnesota who is still racing it. Current project will be capable of 175-180 MPH in the 1/4 mile. My streeter is a bone stock Can Am with only 59K original miles.
Can Am huh? I love those cars! I was just curious!
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I run a glass nose on my bird check out the gallery most think its steel if they don't know dzues fasteners are for glass.
What I did was locate two stubs on the holes for the radiator support mount.
I ran a square stock 1.5 by about 4 feet long across them with holes to locate it. I drop it on and pin the top.
For the back I welded two studs to the cowl and Then put tube over them (3/8) And welded dzues tabs to them and put lock screws and nuts on the tube to hold them on.

So I have 4 dzues fasteners in the back of the fenders and two pins on the front subframe. I can lift off the nose instantly.

No cutting required and I can cut off the studs on the cowl and grind them down and youd never know it was mounted.

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Old 03-19-08, 10:21AM   #12
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I run a glass nose on my bird check out the gallery most think its steel if they don't know dzues fasteners are for glass.
What I did was locate two stubs on the holes for the radiator support mount.
I ran a square stock 1.5 by about 4 feet long across them with holes to locate it. I drop it on and pin the top.
For the back I welded two studs to the cowl and Then put tube over them (3/8) And welded dzues tabs to them and put lock screws and nuts on the tube to hold them on.

So I have 4 dzues fasteners in the back of the fenders and two pins on the front subframe. I can lift off the nose instantly.

No cutting required and I can cut off the studs on the cowl and grind them down and youd never know it was mounted.

Hope that helps
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Yes that helps out a lot! I got a little confused when I first read it cause of the studs on the cowl and the 3/8 tube....but I think I understand what you did. Thanks! Beautiful car by the way!
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If I get the chance over the weekend I will try and dig up some pics of the mounting on the nose.
Ido have a pic of the nose off somewhere that may show the front bar too.
WHen I get on the other computer I will try and find it.
I know I have posted it here recently in a thread also.
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Thanks man I'd appreciate it!
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I don't know how well you can see it in this picture but the cross bar is square stock. It sits on top of two 1 inch tube locating pins I made that bolt in the holes for the radiator support mounts.
I welded bolts into washers and then wleded the washers to the pipe.
They are just slightly longer than the square stock is high and I put a pin in them through a hole above the square stock.
I reach in through my turn signal light hole to release them.

I use geo (turn signals ) in the glass for turnsignals.I think you can see the signals well in this second picture.

I unplug my lights right at the firewall with the factory connector.

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