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Old 07-30-07, 11:50AM   #16
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Default Re: Kaase P51 vs CV-1 Head

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gtofreek, Kaase P51 exhaust port isn't that good 229 cfm, I can see why
your partner cut it off and got it up to 260 cfm. Question when you say
stock rods, are they steel rods, not sure if Ford motors come with steel rods.
Yes they are forged steel A-beam rods. The only ford I can think of that used cast rods is the 200 6 cylinder. Though there may be others. The crank is cast iron.
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Old 07-30-07, 11:57AM   #17
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And we haven't even mentioned what's avalible for the crap engine crowd, er chevy engine crowd.
We have a set of bare casting All-Pro Chevy SB heads that are around $6000. We are going to flow them soon and if anyone is interested in the flow #'s I can post them. They look absolutely beautiful! A work of art. Can't wait to see what they flow. They are supposed to flow 373/270 @ .700 lift with awesome low lift #'s as well. Port opening is rather small too by comparison.
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Old 07-30-07, 01:38PM   #18
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Btmperformance what is a stage V indy head?

Gach so you saying we need to build Fords then? You will never build a Pontiac that can compete with a Ford so why bring it up?
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Old 07-30-07, 07:10PM   #19
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Btmperformance what is a stage V indy head?

Gach so you saying we need to build Fords then? You will never build a Pontiac that can compete with a Ford so why bring it up?
the aswer is to put your pontiac engine in a ford.
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Old 07-30-07, 07:30PM   #20
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EC! punisher#1 seems to be doing very well in heads...LOL Oh and Langer
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Old 07-30-07, 08:34PM   #21
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Ya because they have class rules. Remove the rules and run what you brung and see who wins. Comparing a Pontiac to any other engine is just stupid (unless you compare them to small blocks). Pontiac will get its rear handed to it every time when comparing it to other big blocks. Why, because we dont have the bore spacing the others do.
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Old 07-30-07, 09:39PM   #22
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Cant argue with you there, your 100% right. Even with rules Langer is
given a weight break.
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Old 07-31-07, 12:38AM   #23
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that's why most of the organizations give in to the pontiacs, buicks, and olds. because you can't take a factory deck height block and turn it into a 580+ inch motor, and you can't just call up brodix or cfe and have a set of 450+ cfm heads on your porch in a week. when i put the first 450 inch motor in my car i new that i could run it a small block weight. kinda like choosing a competition elliminator class to fit your car. as the combination became more powerfull i found out that the class had been doing some research and bumped up the weight to big block weight if you run a tiger head(thus the high ports). as it is i am 60-80lbs over minimum depending on which scales are used.
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Old 07-31-07, 12:55AM   #24
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quote by ec; "Comparing a Pontiac to any other engine is just stupid (unless you compare them to small blocks). Pontiac will get its rear handed to it every time when comparing it to other big blocks. Why, because we dont have the bore spacing the others do."

Is that so? There is a Reher Morrison Triple Nickel powered Camaro at our track that has given me the insperation to beat it with Pontiac power. It runs mid 8.80s. I now run mid 8.60s with a lot left in it. With all of the new aftermarket products that have come out for the traditional Pontiac, we can run with all but the blown alcohol and blown fuel Chevys, and that may even change.

Here's a picture of my car and the above mentioned Camaro, at the track;
i agree. the one and only time i ran my car on the motor it ran 8.80s at 3100lbs. i know of alot of bbc engines with conventional heads that don't go that fast in the same type car. and they are at least 30-40 inches bigger. than mine
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Old 07-31-07, 01:36AM   #25
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WDCreech favorite saying...you don't have to like Pontiac's but your
going to respect them....LOL
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Just keep those chevy guy's thinking that pontiacs are slow, it just means there's plenty money to be made by handing them their a$$ on the street and track
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wdcreech,
whats the availability and ($) of those tall deck blocks? (if you dont mind me asking)
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Old 07-31-07, 03:09AM   #28
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Tall decks are hard to come by. KRE claims they are producing one per their MR-1 site. AP may make them if they can get 15 or more orders. If AP made it, it would be very heavy. Now an aluminum tall deck....

They have been boo-hoo'd in the past because there were no heads with enough flow. Looks like things have changed .
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Just keep those chevy guy's thinking that pontiacs are slow, it just means there's plenty money to be made by handing them their a$$ on the street and track
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Old 07-31-07, 12:52PM   #30
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"If AP made it, it would be very heavy. Now an aluminum tall deck...."
In the case of a cast iron block, heavy is good. An aluminum block woud be used for blown applications, and you wouldn't need a tall deck for that.
What is the weight difference between an IA2 and a IA tall deck? If an IA2 is 230 then a tall deck should 20+, right? An aluminum blosk is 130-ish. Thanks

I think a 600ci aluminum pump gas motor would be sweet and there are enough people around that would buy it just to say they have it. Not racers. Just think, have 800hp on pump gas and drop 100+ pounds off the nose for only a couple grand more than a IA2.
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