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Old 07-04-18, 09:54PM   #1
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Trying to move my 64 today and find the steering box must have gotten water in it, froze and blew out bottom side. Dont think its even good for a core. Have an 87 Monte Carlo frame for repairs to another car that has a good steering box on it. Read some and it appears this is a good swap into a 60's A-body but am not sure exactly why. Has anyone ever done this?
Am getting closer to the 64's restoration and believe my YK 428/1 Bobcat convertible may materialize with a 4spd auto trans and my little chrome ball white-button factory shifter. A-body suspension conversion to F disc brakes with Firebird parts. Have to strip several Firebirds this summer as am losing storage, need to know what to save exactly for the handling conversions.
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Old 07-05-18, 11:57PM   #2
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The regular Monte Carlo won't have the quick box in it. It has to be a SS. The quick boxes are longer than a 64 steering box, they also use metric fittings and a different rag joint. There might be enough adjustment in the steering column under the dash since the steering shaft is one piece on a 64. They make big brakes that fit on the A body spindles.
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Old 07-06-18, 07:22PM   #3
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Not sure what improvements could be made with SS quick box. Less turns lock to lock I guess. More parts availability for a newer box?? I believe I can get the correct box from Summit for 200$ with no core. My 64 will not be a racecar, it will be a strong street car, as fun to drive as it used to be. Hopefully more. 4spd auto with 4bolt YK possibly port injected and turbocharged. I like the original wood wheel that is still in nice shape and will be using it. Have a Weber Pro-flow sbc setup lined up to trade for ... could be switched over to Pontiac manifold. I have plenty of donor Eddies to choose from. I just need to make the car movable easily right now but dont want to waste any moves($). If the SS box is a good idea and I have a normal Monte box, can I modify to that and then pop in an SS box already setup for it when I find one?
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The quick box is a improvement. It is not as simple as bolting it in without changing some other parts. I have 5 extra steering boxes and rebuild kits. I might take a few apart and post pictures of the differences. They also make a variable ratio box that is a bolt in for a 64 .
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I have a 65 box that is not a leaker. It still has the fluid in the pump and the hoses are still connected it came off a 6 cylinder car. When I take the boxes apart one will be a 67 and the other a late 80s WS6 box. The rebuild kits use the same seals. I want to see if I can put the WS6 parts in a earlier date coded box.
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The Saginaw steering boxes are the same length. My mistake.
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Old 07-11-18, 06:30PM   #7
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I am about ready to disassemble a few steering boxes. I had to borrow a pitman arm removel tool. One of the steering boxes has a 64 date code. I have 2 quick boxes. I am going to try and change the steering stops on the WS6 box and use the parts from the other quick box in the 64 case. The picture of the steering box with the black paint is the WS6 box.
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Its a SOB. I have no idea why I am even doing it. The 64 steering box is really grungy inside. I can make it work but now I wondering why. I'm thinking its more work than its worth since I don't need it. There are some good instructions on the FourWheeler site.
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A Grand Cherokee steering box came apart a lot easier than the 64 box. I took the 64 box apart a different way. The GC parts will work in the 64. I can use the 64 pitman shaft with the GC internal parts. Except for the rag joint it will look like a 64 box from the outside.
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Old 07-13-18, 12:00AM   #10
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A friend had the jeep quick ratio box in his 67 firebird and did not like it. To sensitive. Took it out and put in the standard ratio box.
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Old 07-13-18, 12:44AM   #11
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A 3rd Gen WS6 steering box will work in a 67 Firebird. You need the steering box made for a shorter wheel base, the internal stops are different. I have not taken the WS6 box apart yet. I will not be using the internal stops. The boxes I am trying to rebuild are for the longer wheel bases. I have a bunch of rebuild kits so if one gets scrapped it won't be a big deal.
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Old 07-14-18, 03:40PM   #12
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The 64 steering box parts are on the left and the 3rd Gen WS6 parts are on the right in the pictures. The rack piston takes less turns to travel the length of the worn shaft on the WS6. The housing cap is also taller on the WS6.
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The rack piston and worm shaft are the same on the WS6 steering box and the GC steering box. The housing cap on the GC steering is the same height as a early A body. You can change the stops on a GC steering box to a 67 Firebird by changing the housing cap to the Firebird cap. The cap is a easy change without taking the steering box completely apart.
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I noticed a lot of the websites are leaving info out on the quick boxes. They don't show you the differences. Maybe they are harder to sell if you could see. Cars with power steering still turn when the car is off. The worm shaft is the difference you can see. I wonder if using the quick worm shaft with the early rotary valve will give you one finger quick steering .
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There are rebuilt steering boxes advertised for 146.00 with free shipping. They must be hard to sell or there might be a lot of old stock. I see the rebuild kits advertised for 29.00. I need the metric quick box to replace a leaking 605 steering box. The other one is getting rebuilt without any metric fittings and the old style rag joint. I have around 20 rebuild kits, they are not all for steering boxes, some are for power steering pumps and Ford.
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