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Old 03-28-10, 01:40PM   #1
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I've been trying to find a good 1960 Catalina to build a gasser from. I'm sure there were never any '60 CAts built as gassers since they all went the smaller Tempest route. But I love the early full size widetracks and I love gassers so I wanted to make what I thought a widetrack gasser would look like. Long story short. I coul dnot come up wit a really good '60 candidate, but a found a '63 Cat fro a very reaosnable cost to me and in really good shape. So now I have a '63 Catalina and I'm trying to decide on the direction to take. I still want a gasser, but not the really high front or overall stance of the traditonal but more of a high factory height. I had already found a '57 chevy pickup front beam axle and want to incorporate that in, and I have a slightly narrowed 9 inch, back braced and bracketed for ladders and whellie bars. I have a set of 15X15 rims for 31.5X16.5X15 ET Streets for the rear. I'll determine whether they fit into the look once I get the car up and the rear end off. I'll be lightening the car as much as I can afford (fiberglass) and do (cutting and drilling holes).
Engine: I'm waiting for a '60 389 block to arrive from Texas. This wil be bored .090 over for a et of Ross light wt dished forged pistons. Rods are to be dtermined but will be Pontiac spec 6.625s, and the stroke will be 3.75. I still have to buy these 2 items yet. I just bought and received a great set of KRE d-ports from Troy Tribby. 325CFM, roller springs to +.800 lift and 2.11/1.66 valves. I'll be pushing atmosphere through them with either twin turbos or a big single. Cam to be determined but roller. I really want to go to EFI but I think it wil lbe too much money to do that and the rest of things I want to do. I have a great friend down here that builds blow thru carbs. We are going to experiment with a Holley 800 spread bore. I want to try it since this is strong but streetable street build. I was hoping to get some good responce from the small primaries and the power of the big secondaries under boost. Call me daffy, heh. But want to try it. It should be interesting. Still fighting tranmission choice. My racer side says the automatics have the egde and strength for a turbo system. Turbos love automatics. My old car street side says a manual is the only way to go. But a good strong enough stick and potential clutch problems AND, living in a city may bring the trans choice back to an automatic. I think I can actually build a 4L80E for the cost of the entire clutch set up alone, not talking about the cost of the manual trans. I have good automatic trans connections down here.






[img]<a href="http://s601.photobucket.com/albums/tt97/marks73turbota/?action=view&current=AnnieandtheForty012.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt97/marks73turbota/AnnieandtheForty012.jpg" border="0" alt="9 inch Olds gasser 1940"></a>[/img]





That's where I sit right now. I've got the front sheetmetal all removed I want to cut the firewall and reposition the engine back aways. I have to get the notorized bill of sale from the owner so I can take it to the DMV to start the title process. Once I've started that I can get it off the trialer I can really determine the build direction and start the frame/body mods for that. So far so good. Mark L
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Old 03-29-10, 08:44PM   #2
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Adding my photobucket pic link so you can see all of them.

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Old 03-31-10, 03:58AM   #3
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Did some playin gwith my Trans Am rear rims and slicks just for a visual.





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Old 03-31-10, 03:59AM   #4
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Actually the car is 5X5 bolt pattern and the rims are 5X4.75 so the rim/tires are out about 3/4 inch from seated. So they would be inside the fender better. Mark L
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Old 04-16-10, 06:35PM   #5
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Got the '60 389 home and taken down to Paul Carter in Tucson. Going to clean, sonic test for cylinder wall thickness, bore if good an dhone for my Ross pistons. He is going to cryo treat the block and parts to make the block stonger. I ordered the 3.75 stroke forged crank and a set of GRP aluminum rods from KRE. Waiting for word from Paul after the sonic testing is done. Will update later. Mark L
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Old 04-16-10, 08:00PM   #6
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...and the beat goes on !!
Yahoo Mark...
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Old 04-17-10, 11:48AM   #7
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Hey Troy. This is going to be VEDDY,VEDDY, INTAAARESTING, fer sher mannn!! MArk L
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Old 04-19-10, 03:55PM   #8
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I picked up a 4L80 trans for a build yesterday. So I've made the move to what trans I am using. So that part is falling together. Ive made up my mind to stick with the stock rear end. I may go to ladder bars or work with the stock modified 4 link but I wanted the biggest tire/rim I can fit but using the stock width axle. So I really have to start measuring tire/rims to find out what I can fit. I want minimum of a 10 inch wide 15 inch rim. I want to use a 30 inch tall tire that will fit the wheel well completely but with enough clearence so there is no contact. The 30 inch should fit before hitting the front outside fender lip but if not, and I go ladder bars, I will relocate the axle back an inch. I was thinking of making upper and lower arms but 1 inch longer. But with the angle of all the arms you can't just lengthen the arms. I have to look and see if I can relocate the bolt holes 1/2 inch frame end and 1/2 inch at the axle. Never know till ya look. Mark L
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Old 04-22-10, 01:53PM   #9
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Yesterday met with a chassis builder to install the '57 Chevy from beam axle. Will be a couple of weeks but maybe sooner if he can get it in. It'll be much nicer than if I were to try to do it and probably a heck of a lot safer in the long run. So the die is cast. 1963 Catalina Gasser it is. Mark L
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Old 04-23-10, 12:18PM   #10
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Interesting pics of a '63 AWB car that Steve Barcak had in his files.

And later looks like it was stripped and abandoned


Interesting pics but I do not like the look at all. Never really did like the look of the altered wheelbase cars. Reminds me of a dog with his tail tucked. MArk L
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Old 04-24-10, 01:17AM   #11
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Received the forged 3.75 crank bought from KRE but supplied by Ohio crank. Good looking piece. Mark L
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I did some playing with the AllPontiac midplate today.I drilled the early 55-60 bell bolt and dowel pattern into the midplate. Then on the back side I welded on nuts to the Chevy pattern. At the middle of the Chevy pattern the nuts interfer with the 55-60 bellhousing casting a little so I used a grinder to make some clearance. I still have to figure out how I'm going to attach the starter but I have an idea on that as well. This will save $755 on an adapter and starter for it.




I have to get block dowels to add to the chevy pattern and weld in. Then find a way to lock in the bottom chevy bolts. The both sides of the bottom of the 55-60 pattern are just inside of the midplate cut out. The passenger side cuts the bolt hole right thru the middle. I can drill and bolt that in fine. The drivers side part of the midplate misses the bolt hole almost completely. A touch with the grinder and then half of a washer/spacer and then I can lock those bolts down. Just want to look at how I'm going to install the starter in case I can incorporate that all in together. When I'm done i should be able to bolt the midplate to the block and then the 4L80 to the midplate. It should also allow me to pull the engine or the trans seperately with the midplate still supporting the one left in. Mark L

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Old 04-26-10, 01:54AM   #13
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Just in case my other posts haven't riled you up-
Your welding sucks!! But in this case that's okay, since the welds have no function other than keeping the nuts in place during assembly/disassembly.
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Mark check out Hamb.. All kinds of photos and info...
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Here are a couple diagrams and photos of early Turbo 400 adapters..

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