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Old 01-17-19, 06:15AM   #16
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Charlie,the issue these days is getting a affordable forged crank.Virtually all 3in main forged cranks require a BBC rod.Im building another RA V engine and wanted a 4in stroke crank.Im going to use a Scat forged crank and Molnar 6.6350 rods which depending on the deck height of the block I can use a stock 428 piston.IF I was going to build a MAX effort pontiac I would use US made crank and rods but for a hipo street engine it makes no sense IMO.Tom

Tom, you're independently wealthy. WTF are you worried about ante-ing up for a good forged crank from Crower ? if we all had your money, we'd burn ours. why low buck it and buy and recommend Chinese ? with that mentality when I hit the lottery for 100 million, should I buy a Toyota ? no thanks I'd buy a Maserati or Lamborghini or Ferrari, or the fully restored Tempest SD421 for $550,000. Top end, not bottom end. sheet man why low buck it and buy Chinese when you are a millionaire ?

if I was rich and wanted a forged crank, and nobody made them here, I'd start a business and make them myself. and sell them made in USA, for USA.

good forged cranks are not hard to find. I bought an SD421 crank earlier this year for only $250, forged vintage made in USA, from a shop in NJ. it was already cut down to 3" mains.
and I bought a complete DS forged 366 NASCAR Pontiac crank, rods, and pistons for $1500 from a guy in Pittsburgh years ago.

as you know call around pay the price, you'll find one. you just bought a complete 303 RA V block and heads and ram intake setup, for what something like $20 grand ? you certainly are not in the Chinese offshore parts category.

sorry Tom, I don't want Chinese parts in my Pontiac engine. it's about time we put an end to that crap already. I don't want it, the hobby doesn't want it- it was forced down everyone's throat cuz the vendors are either too cheap or stupid or greedy to have the good stuff made here.

it's about time we stood up and protested this already. otherwise eventually the whole damned engine, trans, and car is going to be Chinese made.

for the record China is patently racist and basically hates America. they've been screwing us over economically for decades. they're not our buddies or friends !! if a war broke out with N. Korea, China would back the north, and kills our guys by the 1000's. it would be like buying German Nazi-made parts during World War II. think about what you are recommending here, just to drive a car at the track ?

may as well sell your kids into slavery so you can race and get a cheap forged crank. what these vendors did was a bad decision, unpatriotic, and a mistake. the only guys that thought twice were Nunzi, and HO Racing and Warrior who went out of business rather than sell that Chinese stuff. and that was the honorable thing to do.

did Pontiac Motor Division put Chinese made parts in their cars ? every nut and bolt was made in USA. every Pontiac I ever bought, sold, drove, raced, or owned never had a single part on the car from offshore. that firebird I sold in September, every single part, fender, and nut and bolt was made in USA. where is your national pride ?

that bad thing about money is, it will make you do things, that you don't want to do, or shouldn't really do.

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Old 01-17-19, 06:27AM   #17
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Zero I’m with you I hope trump using tariffs on steel and alum can bring back all kinds of manufacturing including performance parts. Just a note on the rod this is not a butler only deal, it will be sold threw summit jegs etc etc and yes will find there way onto ebay. Also eagle rates them at 750 hp. I would never run them at that horsepower but 500-600. Last comment price point is important $349 press pin and higher makes you look at the 4340 bushing h beams for a couple dollars more
yes you can get the forged H beam fro $560 on Ebay and it's communist made. another friggin' Chinese offshore rod but at least it's the right size.

we need congressional laws outlawing and banning that foreign sheet from even being imported. if a hot war breaks out all the guys selling this crap are gonna get a big surprise cuz none of it is going to be imported AT ALL.

I don't buy the forged crank line anyway, cuz any force that's strong enough to break a GM cast crank, is not going to be slight, and is going to bend a forged crank too, and blow up a motor even if it HAS a forged crank in it.

how many guys do you know who have broken a cast GM Pontiac crank ? I can't think of a single one, cuz the tiny little rod bearing or main bearing is going to fail long before that big GM beefy cast nodular iron crank is going to break. you may crack one but you'll find it when you freshen and mag it.

this is why the 1000 HP motors with aftermarket parts are so damned boring, cuz half the motor is Chinese made and then no American Patriot cares how fast it is, you're running a Chinese motor.

the Chinese made GM cars are so bad, they are BANNED from being imported into USA as it is right now. that's how schitty they are. yet guys are still putting these cranks, rods in their Pontiacs and running these intake manifolds with no markings or name brand on them.

just to go fast and race ? wake up racers, if you run Chinese parts, nobody cares or gives a fukk how fast you are, it makes the racer look like a broomstick cowboy... there's no pride in that.
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Old 01-17-19, 06:30AM   #18
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I'm direct with them, maybe I can find out.

With the sheer amount of items having some kind of offshore "touch" to them, I simply can't be biased that way.


I can. most Pontiac guys are. most of the Pontiacs out there have GM vintage cranks, rods in them, not Chinese stuff. again, the racing market is 1 percent of the Pontiac owners. someday someone with money is going to make cranks, rods in the USA again and put all those Chinese parts vendors out of business.

selling Chinese made parts for Pontiacs, is ripping off the USA, and bastardizing our automotive heritage. and taking our jobs away and shipping them overseas. we've been through this before, it's the whole reason why Trump got elected in the first place. his rallies with record breaking crowds were filled with people LIKE ME who are tired of this schitt. today if you're pushing Chinese made anything, it's obvious that is not what Americans want- based on how they voted. and they'll vote that way again in 2020- it's the anti-China import vote. yet Pontiac vendors keep right along selling the stuff. where's your patriotism to the USA ?

do you think the Italians would put Chinese parts in their vintage Lamborginis, Ferraris, Maseratis ?
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Old 01-17-19, 06:31AM   #19
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I cracked a rod journal on a factory cast crank, first lick on the dyno, with a 600+ hp 409ci engine. But thatís my luck lol
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I can. most Pontiac guys are. most of the Pontiacs out there have GM vintage cranks, rods in them, not Chinese stuff. again, the racing market is 1 percent of the Pontiac owners. someday someone with money is going to make cranks, rods in the USA again and put all those Chinese parts vendors out of business.

selling Chinese made parts for Pontiacs, is ripping off the USA, and bastardizing our automotive heritage. and taking our jobs away and shipping them overseas. we've been through this before, it's the whole reason why Trump got elected in the first place. his rallies with record breaking crowds were filled with people LIKE ME who are tired of this schitt. today if you're pushing Chinese made anything, it's obvious that is not what Americans want- based on how they voted. and they'll vote that way again in 2020- it's the anti-China import vote. yet Pontiac vendors keep right along selling the stuff. where's your patriotism to the USA ?

do you think the Italians would put Chinese parts in their vintage Lamborginis, Ferraris, Maseratis ?
Where's my patriotism?

I voted for Trump too, so let's get that out in the open real quick.

But if I were to not offer anything but US made parts in my engines, I'd simply go out of business. Quick. It's obvious that you don't build engines for a living.

Whether it's right or wrong, not everyone will pay $1000 for a set of rods, when there's a set of $400 rods that will work just as well.

I'd be a little more understandable if you weren't typing on a PC made in India, or pecking on an iPhone made in China, or wearing shoes made somewhere in deep Africa.

Where do you think your bearings are made? What about the steel in your timing set? Where does it come from?

BTW, most Pontiac guys are NOT like that.....or else there wouldn't be a market for Eagle and Scat cranks/rods for Pontiacs and Molnar wouldn't be pushing a line of Pontiac rods.

Sorry, in a perfect world, the US would be self-sufficient, but in reality, it just doesn't work that way, and it never will. So the answer is for all the engine guys to go out of business?
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Old 01-17-19, 11:00AM   #21
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Charlie,first off im NOT independently wealthy!Im comfortable and got there by working for a co for right at 45 years and payed attention to what I made and what I spend.I have invested well but still have to look at what I buy as there is just so much income from my SS and my investments.I like to play in the rare air of the RA V world but im not going to spend $4000 for a billet crank or $2000 for Carillo rods for a street engine that when it comes off the dyno wont see 3000 RPMs a couple times a year.I drive my stuff every week,my cars are set up to be able to cruise at 2000 RPMs at 65-70 mph so im off idle to about 2200 and shift.ALL are stick shift cars and I just turned 74 and when I cant drive a stick shift the cars will move on to someone else that can.Real muscle cars have 3 pedals,race cars have 2.Sorry Charlie!Tom
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As for my 462 build up, I would not tell you witch spark plug socket bran i am using, you will find fault in anything i do.
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Deal or no deal???
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