RamAirV street/strip CRATE motor

[Mb125]

Does anyone see a reason that it should cost any more than a Dart block

[Tsyron]

Here is how I look at it. Its like, Walmart vs a Mom and Pop store. Its hard to compete with corporation that has their process down to a science and material cost down to a minimum.
Tom

[danzig]

Yes,but Wal mart did not start out as a big corporation monster.
Sam Waltons philosophy: providing inexpensive goods to small-town markets.

Can that work with a company who only produces a block, crank ,heads for one particular brand as opposed to someone who is diversified like edelbrock.

It would not be feasible for the current block companies AllPontiac or KRE to create new molds/patterns for a cheaper block,since there cost would be the same or higher,considering our current financial CRISIS.

Thank you Barry and the boys!

So i think the smaller market is playing a role in production for now.

It would be nice to have a comparable block like Dart,but it would probably take a bigger company with more resources to do it.

Sure there are individuals willing to do it like Lynn,but basically he has to look at it as doing it for himself with his resources and not counting on outside buyers or investors.

If someone wants to buy what he has to offer than it serves to help his cause.

I am sure he hasn't looked at it as a money maker. If your in a business to make a living,you won't do it by selling parts at cost.

Something to chew on.

[twinturrbo406]

There are many tactics to the reasoning towards a release of a particular product. Marketing and Merchandising can be very tricky, and sometimes leads you toward a very difficult decision.

[tjs44]

I looked into repoping the 421 SD bathtub tunnel ram a few years ago.I think it was something like 24K to do the casting boxes.Just put a calk on how many you need to sell JUST to recoupe you init investment!That does not include having them cast and machined.Or putting a profit on the investment.It all come down to how many your are going to sell over a given time.I have made 3 sets of repop RA V balancers and they cost stupid money to do on a limited run and to make in the USA.I need to go out and get a billi t of steel,have it cut to rough demensions.Then they go to the machine shop to get final machining and degreeing.Then they get shipped back east for the hubs and the bonding operation and then the balancing of them.It usually takes me 3 years to sell 10 of them.My money has been tied up for years and I figure out I could have made more just putting it in tax free munis!People like Jim and other pontiac guys do it more for the love of the hobby than getting rich.FWIW,Tom

[turbo69BIRD]

Originally Posted by tjs44

I looked into repoping the 421 SD bathtub tunnel ram a few years ago.I think it was something like 24K to do the casting boxes.Just put a calk on how many you need to sell JUST to recoupe you init investment!That does not include having them cast and machined.Or putting a profit on the investment.It all come down to how many your are going to sell over a given time.I have made 3 sets of repop RA V balancers and they cost stupid money to do on a limited run and to make in the USA.I need to go out and get a billi t of steel,have it cut to rough demensions.Then they go to the machine shop to get final machining and degreeing.Then they get shipped back east for the hubs and the bonding operation and then the balancing of them.It usually takes me 3 years to sell 10 of them.My money has been tied up for years and I figure out I could have made more just putting it in tax free munis!People like Jim and other pontiac guys do it more for the love of the hobby than getting rich.FWIW,Tom

This is very true in many instances. Its tough to make any money in a small market when special tooling /molds are involved.

Many times a supplier will weigh the benefits of having an "exclusive" at a no profit as more a of a tool to bring customers into thier shop, Then they hope to make money on the other "profitable" products they do sell.

I know there are certain things I sell that I dont make Squat on, but it helps me to offer more products which attracts a bigger audience of buyers.
I mainly do things because I love the hobby not for a living,but eventually I would Like to be able to do this full time.
I enjoy dealing with pontiac guys 99.9 percent of the time and the .1 percent has nothing to do with the pontiac guys its just the stress of having things on back order or a simple shipping mishap that stresses me out.

[danzig]

Originally Posted by turbo69BIRD

I mainly do things because I love the hobby not for a living,but eventually I would Like to be able to do this full time.

Many products for the pontiac have came about because of people having a zeal for that old pontiac engine.
Keep at it Jeff,you can turn a dream into a reality,and the hobby will be better for it.

More Turbo Pontiacs,thats what i like to refer to as a good thing.

[Mb125]

Any new news or did this project fall off the face of the earth?

[SPDMETL]

How much is that 500+ci crate engine gonna be ?

[Rockin462]

http://forums.performanceyears.com/f...=624652&page=2

Still progressing well.

[James]

Ram V head, couldn't get a price out of the guy, but I do know I would need
custom headers, which would add between $1500.00 to $2500.00 to cost.
Also take a special cam blank...guessing $450.00 for a ground cam. Plus no delivery date.
Guessing even more then the cost of Tiger heads, just sounds like he's selling numbers.

[tjs44]

I think Lynn has posted a price for the heads and yes you would need a cam,exhaust and intake.Tom

[James]

Sorry sir, but no set in stone price on anything. Allot to consider their own intake ( no price ) custom cam ( no price ) custom headers 1500-2500.00 plus different pistons. Sorry but can't see how this head package could not be allot more then any other offerings out there, just not for me. Plus the wait, been four years already. Probably good for the true die hard Pontiac guy, quality ?

[tjs44]

Bullet and Comp can make you a cam right now.Just got one last month,I had custom headers made ON my car for less than $1500 and IF you are lucky enough to have a first gen bird you can buy them from Nunzi tomorrow for WAY less than $1000.I think the heads will be out far faster than the intakes.Im lucky as I have 3 short deck and 4 std deck intakes in my garage right now.Tom

[Rockin462]

Lynn is also going to sell headers. It will take some time to put it all together. But they are progressing quickly for what the project is.
And he is developing all the RAV specific parts.

Hard to put an exact price when they are still in the design and development phase.

[Gach]

Quickly. Your kidding right! took 4 years to get to this point.

[James]

Originally Posted by Rockin462

Lynn is also going to sell headers. It will take some time to put it all together. But they are progressing quickly for what the project is.
And he is developing all the RAV specific parts.

Hard to put an exact price when they are still in the design and development phase.

Well I wish him luck.

[Rockin462]

Originally Posted by Gach

Quickly. Your kidding right! took 4 years to get to this point.

When did he actually start putting things together, not when he threw the idea about it out there.

You know this product will be right before it's release as well.

[marks73ta]

Tom another board mentioned that the deck height of the 303-366 is different than the301 blocks. Is that right? I thought they were the same? Thanks Mark L

[tjs44]

the 366 ,which there were none built was made up from aftermarket parts from a std deck block.I have only ever seen one set of heads.303s and 400s were the only produced engines.The 366,428s and 455s were from enginering parts.I have a 428 and a 455 setup.Tom